Shit!

[nia_kantorka]

What news to wake up to.

Tbh, I'm not surprised. Yes, of course I hoped for the best which means Clinton as a lesser of two evils. Looks like that's not gonna happen.

My gran always says "history repeats itself" - not in the same settings, but in general. Societies rise, have a peak, and then ... fall. Just look at the Pharaos or the Romans, and if that's not enough ... look at our ugly German history. We were lucky last time, because our country and its people weren't totally destroyed by the victorious countries.
Before WW II Germany was in a similar state like many countries (like the US) are in today. There were "Golden Twenties", but actually only a rich minority enjoyed these days. Most were fighting against recession, for their jobs and to just live a normal life. Then someone came along who made big promises, who wanted to "make things right" and "our country great again". If you listened carefully, he also spoke about his plans in all details and how he would do it all. Well, the world saw. More than 6 millions Jews and 50-80 millions in total died. That's not great, that's horrible and it will never cease to be one of the worst examples of humankind.

Well, all the fear wasn't an excuse back than, neither it's one today. As you I'm afraid too, because Trump seems to be even more crazy than Hitler was and draws even less distinctions between friends and foes. I fear for all my friends over there and for humanity.

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[roelliej.livejournal.com]

Me, too. Evil has a face. And it's orange... 😭

[nia_kantorka]

Yeah, it's a disaster.

[my_thestral]

I guess you as a German have an even better historical perspective of what this victory means. My only hope is, that perhaps he didn't win senate and congress as well (in spite of his thinking, he cannot rule without the support there), because if he did, the world is truly fucked. He'll back out of Kyoto protocol and I think Obamacare has seen it's last days. Canadian immigration website crashed completely. As my BF put it: "2016 Trump won the election, 2019 my district won the first Hunger games." :P I guess his voters got who they deserve, but the sad thing is, the rest of the world did as well. :P I'm sad and disappointed, but not really surprised. I didn't think the Americans would hand the Brits over the Stupidity-of-the-year award that easily. Let's see, how they handle plummeting markets first, perhaps that will be a bucket of cold water in their faces. Sad, sad day. The winter is here and the head Whitewalker just entered the White House.

[nia_kantorka]

Well, I really hope we hoodoos are just wrong, but the striking parallels are easy to see. Yeah, I fear nothing good for anybody will come from this. Even the people who jejoice now will see sooner or later. Probably too late. Today on the bus, at work, in the shops ... everybody looked like someone kicked their favourite puppy. It's sad that this asshole ruined our own date to celebrate - the Berlin wall fell 27 years ago and you can say whatever you want about it, it was a great thing to witness. Fuck, I'm old.

[my_thestral]

Congratulations on such an important date in the history - I still remember it happening (because I'm slightly older than you, LOL), but it probably didn't have such a profound emotional impact on me as it did on the Germans.

Here, the Melania's home town actually hung out the American flags, imagine that! Well, I'd let the US annex the damn place if they promise to also import our stupid and never bring them back! :P Mostly, I'll just be introducing myself to the Americans as half Croatian for the next four years in the way of an apology. That money-hungry puppet on the string Trump married is definitely not the best Slovenian women can offer. :P :S It was like waking up this morning to Trump winning and seeing a Dark Mark above your house! :P

[nia_kantorka]

Well, it's not the only date in our history. The other one is much worse and was sort of a start of what Hitler's plans had been about. I'm referring to 'Crystal Night' or 'Night of Broken Glass' where paramilitary SA destroyed Jewish Synagogues, shops, houses and the authorities looked away. Hitler had been elected five years earlier, but from that moment on (antisemitism openly showed, tolerated and encouraged by the state) we were doomed. It's been nearly 80 years and it was way before my time, but it's not forgotten. At least not here, and not by millions of Jewish people all around the world.
Well, I'm still happy we've managed to do something right at the same day 61 years later. Something I actually remember and how impressed I was. Seeing the wall fall is one of the reasons why I still think that love, passion, and compassion are ways to make our world a better place.

That was one long, philosophical ramble. Anyway, don't let these people in M. Trumps' hometown ruin your spirit. You're right as you are. *hugs tight*

[celestlyn.livejournal.com]

I actually have a few pieces of the Berlin Wall that I treasure. My step-dad was a WWII vet and it was very important to him to get on a plane and fly to Germany and take his hammer and pick and join in the destruction. He came home with a pile of pieces and felt much better for it. He's been gone now for 15 years, but I hold my little pieces of that wall very dear to my heart. The symbolism of what they represent is worth everything.

[nia_kantorka]

Ah, that's great. I've never had a piece of it, but of course I saw the remains of the Berlin Wall that's still standing and visited Checkpoint Charlie.
It's symbolism is so strong. It still gives me goosebumps to think about the pictures we saw at that time and how much has changed since then. Not all for the better, but we're definitely one country again. :D

[candamira.livejournal.com]

I think you're right. This is history repeating, and again it shows that selling hope 'trumps' better knowledge. 2016. What a dark year.

[nia_kantorka]

It's too early to say, but I really hope we've now reached rock bottom in 2016. It's good that we'll go out tonight. High time for some mood lifting. :D

[sabethea.livejournal.com]

It's terrifying. The politics of hatred and fear wins again. After Brexit, I can't be totally surprised, but I can still be devastated.

[nia_kantorka]

Yes, it's been a rough day so far and my imagination is running wild. But I'm not giving up hope. It's not the end of the world yet. *hugs*

[mab.livejournal.com]

*cries and cries*

That's what I'll be doing tomorrow. Tonight (early am) I'm too numb for tears.

[nia_kantorka]

Ah Mab, wish I could do a thing. *hugs tight*

I'm still devastated that for the first time there was a candidate I really, really admired and whom the democrats cut off. And now evil won over lesser evil and the world will probably sink in water or will be destroyed by sheer idiocy. Ah no, I have to stop thinking about it. Let's just cry together.

[celestlyn.livejournal.com]

I am terrified of what is to come. He is a legitimate narcissist and endlessly singing his own praises. I love my country, but right now I'm disgusted, embarrassed and horrified by what the majority of Americans have chosen. They have been taken in my a man who is the least presidential individual I've ever seen. They believe his lies and empty promises. He has a good catch phrase: Let's make America great again! Sadly, it's not going to happen. Like Nero fiddled while Rome burned, Trump will luxuriate in his ivory/gold Trump tower while America goes down in flames.

[nia_kantorka]

I hear you. All these fears ... I have them too. We can only hope for the best and spread love wherever we are.
*hugs tight*

[shiftylinguini.livejournal.com]

really good insight Nia, and a wake-up call (hopefully) for the world. I don't know how this has happened, and I'm on the sidelines watching it, but it seems here in Australia we're not much better (so much rhetoric about Us and Them, and our policies on refugees are fucking atrocious, absolutely fucking horrific)

Actually I have nothing useful to add here at all, really, but I really didnt think this outcome would happen

<3

[nia_kantorka]

The frightening thing is it's happening everywhere. Even here, where we should know better, the bigot and racist right wing party (AfD) gains voters with every federal state election. It makes my skin crawl. Our next Chancellor election will be next year. I don't like they party of Angela Merkel, but at least she, in person, respects human rights. She didn't close our boarders to refugees and she wasn't happy with the outcome of the U.S. election. I don't like her or what her party stands for, but I respect her. Still I'll vote programmes and values, not people. Sadly, I'm part of a minority and most people have other reasons to vote their favourite candidate.

Anyway, we can't keep quiet. Not about stuff like that.

*hugs*